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Very recently I have noticed the news on NowPublic being inundated with stories from web sites with 100% complete political agendas. These are not even web sites which pretend to be un- biased like most network news stations. These are web sites with one mission and one mission only, to bash on the political opposition through skewed reporting and by using out of context comments.
At what point does / should NowPublic take action to curtail such Political Hijacking of this web site?
This is a Gray area between News and Opinion. Should you create a banner like "opinion" and have these stories be thus flagged with "political opinion" ?
Stories are masquerading as news when they are opinion pieces with Skewed Frankenstein research, and unless NowPublic takes some action it is in danger of becoming just another web site for bashing.


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at 13:03 on September 4th, 2008
Maybe take domestic politics out of the "World" section and create it's own "Politics" section ?
at 13:27 on September 4th, 2008
Most of the sources I have seen on this site are just that. The posters think they can get away with reporting web site content as though it is fully vetted news. The quality is much less than a tabloid. The criteria of truth seems to be if it is pro-abortion or pro-gay it is true news. If it is anti-republican, it is true. If it is pro-obama, it is true.
Shame on you liberal media liars.
at 14:34 on September 4th, 2008
This is a grey area for sure and one that we have to look at on a case by case basis.
We cannot control what sources people get their news from and use the highlight to post here, unless the post, whether highlight or not, violates our code of conduct in any way. Then we can address that.
We try to keep a balanced posting of news, but of course, sometimes that is just not possible.
We think that it helps to label those pieces as opinion, and that way, the readers know that it is not the opinion of NowPublic, but the opinion of the poster.
Of course if the posting is 'Skewed Frankenstein research' then we will address that as well, and we don't want NowPublic to become a website for bashing.
It is always good to question posts that you think are not laying out the full facts and giving a skewed vision of the news, and ask the poster to balance it out. We want to encourage people to work together to provide the best news possible, not against each other and just calling out their posts as biased, even though you think so.
at 15:19 on September 4th, 2008
Thank you for the response !
Please have a discussion with the group of super editors. I think this is a growing area of concern.
at 16:32 on September 5th, 2008
Can someone clarify NowPublic policy on Blogs used as a source to support News ?
This has really been ramping up lately, where Blogs are used to support a biased slant in a news story. The blogger could even be a respected journalist, and with a major news outlet, but once they "blog" on a subject does it not become personal opinion and not news coverage ?
The way one writes a blog and writes a news story are completely different, and personally I think it is high time for someone here in the editorial department to make a decision once and for all concerning how news stories should be handles when they are using a Blog as a source.
at 08:49 on September 6th, 2008
Not only blogs, many have taken advantage to post slanted stories with their own 'opinion' added and refused to label it opinion. after requested by wranglers, editors and others, claiming it is news, just cause they got a link to an online story or two.
at 13:03 on September 6th, 2008
If someone is using a blog as a source and it has a biased news slant, then that piece requires an 'opinion' tag. As staff members, we give the author a certain amount of time to add an 'opinion' tag via a comment on the story, usually an hour, and then we add it for them. We are not changing the posting, we are just curating the entry. Of course, we might not see all the entries of this nature, so we rely on our wranglers and guest editors to keep their eyes open for them as well.
As for using blogs as news sources, we cannot control where people highlight their excerpts from. If it is a blog with a biased slant, it will get an opinion tag, unless it is a posting where the author uses that excerpt to provide both sides of that story, and that excerpt is an example of one side.
A posting of this nature however, is also an opportunity for our community to jump in, in a respectful way of course, and argue the other side and provide good examples of what an unbiased news source would be on that subject.
We want everyone here to work together to provide good news coverage, and if other members feel a posting is too biased and that author hasn't looked at the other side, then we encourage comments on the story providing that other opinion or argument.
News can come from blogs and they can be an excellent source of alternative news - we don't want to discourage their use. However, if you see a posting you feel is not providing a balanced view of news, feel free to jump in and explain why. Of course, being respectful of the others' opinions.
at 13:54 on September 6th, 2008
Also, not all blogs are the same... it's really just a platform, and the content is entirely up to the blogger. Some are meticulous about sources and facts, some are not. Either way, blogging is still seen as informal, and is generally presumed to reflect opinion, rather than branded objectivity. (C'mon, you think Fox and CNN and CBS and Al Jazeera are objective?) When sourcing blogs, I err on the side of more disclosure and framing rather than less: simply dumping a highlighted chunk of text into a story implies that the user is submitting it as fact, when that may not be the case. Yet another reason why framing is good, and not-framing is not-so-good.
at 16:58 on September 11th, 2008
'Fox and CNN and CBS and Al Jazeera' - yes, very good !
at 06:22 on September 12th, 2008
What is objective in the news? Every article has some degree of personal Opinion, Even if just reporting facts, such as numbers or statistics it is never really objective. Even the best of Reporter with the highest degree of ethics cannot be fully objective or non Opinionated.
We may try and uphold high standards yet we will always have a dust corn of Opinion or personal input leading the reader into a specific direction.
Even by using different source one will still lead into once Opinion by giving one source a better light then another source.
Al Jazeera is a point of view that is objective from their view as would be the BBC or CBC. Now I do not like CNN nor FOX at all since I percive them as propagandist and narrow minded. But that is my Opinion.
at 21:45 on September 8th, 2008
Thanks ALL for responding !!
Correct "some" blogs are good and honorable, Some Bloggers are Good and honorable.... and then there are others.
What has been happening on Nowpublic on political stories, is sourcing blogs as info which are blatantly biased. Quite possibly the "facts" are somewhat correct, but the wording is damning and draws conclusions in a way published news stories should not. I have seen several blogs from known journalist, with writing nothing like their normal neutral news stories.
All in all flaming up the news like this has really turned me away from participating here this last week.....
at 16:37 on September 10th, 2008
An example of my previous stated complaints and concerns :
Story
This is posted as news without opinion tag, by a Super Editor.
Story is from a personal web site of a self described activist.
In title the story is referred to as "perspective"
The Story is one persons view.
YET
It was posted without "opinion" tag and in at least a half day that poster has been on line editing other stories and updating his own, he still has not added the "opinion" tag to his story.
How can NowPublic be a place for unbiased reporting when a Super Editor posts a biased story and does not tag it as opinion ?
****Update**** at aprox. 5pm pacific on 9/10, the above linked story was updated by the author, yet still NO "opinion" marker has been placed on it. Not even a response to inquiry over need for the opinion flag has been made.
at 19:26 on September 10th, 2008
When I said above that:
"A posting of this nature however, is also an opportunity for our community to jump in, in a respectful way of course, and argue the other side and provide good examples of what an unbiased news source would be on that subject.
We want everyone here to work together to provide good news coverage, and if other members feel a posting is too biased and that author hasn't looked at the other side, then we encourage comments on the story providing that other opinion or argument."
I was referring to members offering suggestions for another point of view and excerpts from other news sites showing another side to the argument - not going around the site constantly saying the same thing but not offering up any suggestions or trying to help other members out.
As for the use of the opinion flag, there are some steps to follow:
1) If the highlight that is posted is from a clearly slanted biased news site and the poster has not offered up another side to the argument, then that piece should be labeled as opinion as it must be the poster's opinion. However, if the posting does offer some different viewpoints to the argument, whether from the same article or not, and the poster's intro is not opinion, then that does not need to be labeled as opinion. If members think that the source is a biased news slant, make a comment with evidence showing why. Staff doesn't know all the sites on the Internet and which slant they take so we rely on our members to help us out with that.
2) If the post is a highlighted excerpt, but the intro is in the poster's own words and says something like 'Clearly this means that Obama is not very bright' then that should be labeled as opinion. However if it says 'Obama spoke to a large crowd last night and many people cheered'; that is not opinion.
We are all working on this together and the opinion flag is still trying to find its home on NowPublic, so all pieces will be open to interpretation and discussion is welcomed of course, however we want to stress again that constructive discussion is encouraged; there really is no benefit to just saying 'this needs to be opinion and you know it'.
Let's all work together shall we?
at 13:52 on September 12th, 2008
Lets all work together....what a great response. Were not all journalists and coaching tends to be critical when you dont have to show your face. I am new, but I know without cyber scrutiny from staff this site would soon be just a launching pad for complaining.
always learning at my end
at 22:11 on September 15th, 2008
Facts are only possible in Science and only with numbers not with words.
Every article and every post no matter who ethical and how well intended are both, fact as well as Opinion, even if one does site two opposite articles one being Right wing and the Other Left Wing, one will give the favouring one a better light as the other one that is disfavoured. Human nature and normal. In politics Facts are next to impossible and Opinion would be just about any thing and every thing that is out there.
You say the Earth is Round and state this as a fact wen in fact it is an Opinion, first the earth cannot be round since it is egg shaped and two what does define round since the earth is not a circle but a sphere. There for stating that the Earth is Round is just as much an Opinion as saying it is Flat.
Even worth with Politics and religion since they are both based in large part on emotions, Belief and interpretations, yet not on Facts.
at 06:47 on September 16th, 2008
This is a chair. This is a dog most dogs have 4 legs. There are three major religions that stem from Abraham. Just words no numbers. now if you are thinking about brains in vats then maybe every ting is just an illusion perceived by a brain in a lab. Even so, when you ask 100 people what color something is, 98% or more will say the same it it is a primary color. I am not sure why you would want to question facts vs. opinions.
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at 00:33 on September 16th, 2008
Of course I could say I don't believe in trucks and walk into the middle of the street and then get hit by one. What matters is not what we believe but rather what we believe is true.
Evolutionary Science is not facts but theories based on a presupposition that God does not exist and that something out of nothing became everything. Complexity and design are clear facts that there is a Creator, just as a painting proves there is a painter and a building is proof there is a builder. Not based soley on belief & interpretations.
at 03:39 on September 16th, 2008
You are stating your personal Opinion and bellive based on what has been indoctrinated into you by parents friends and others and what you accepted as being true even though there is no explanation nor proof. Where you born a pigme you would believe that there are many gods and that the elephant made the earth, where as if you where born a Hindu you would believe other wise yet again... You base every thing on a single believe that has no foundation other than the fact that you do believe it without proof nor logic or science.
That is what is called an Opinion nor a Fact.
at 17:17 on December 8th, 2008
i think it would be helpful if you could select flags. like you could flag it as opinion and then after so many flags the editorial people take notice. a flag for advertisements as ive been seeing some stories where people are trying to make ads into stories lately. Also Opinion could get its own section so that when a person's story is flagged as opinion it gets the same air time of an entire section of stories so it sort of has home. granted its nice to have opinion within different topics.
Also...it would be nice to be able to choose more than one section for a story.
other suggestions: you could sell story slots for advertising the way gothamist does and sometimes perez hilton where a post is a different color or something and noted as an advertisement.
another suggested feature would be like Digg where a reader is encouraged to look over other stories to see if they're duplicating a newstory?
at 10:57 on December 9th, 2008
Hi lefty_liberated. Lots of good questions here. I'll take them one by one.
We currently have an opinion flag which members can check off when writing a story. You'll find it at the bottom of the edit field. We've noticed that a lot of members have started using this flag, and we do have a lot of diverse opinion on the site, so we're considering giving more prominence to an opinion channel (I made a very basic one which needs work: http://my.nowpublic.com/tag/opinion), where you could find all content flagged that way.
You can choose more than one section for a story. You need to select a home for your story, but to add it to another section, simply include the name of that section in your tags. For instance, you might want your story to be created in the World channel but feel it should also live in Culture - so just add "Culture" in the tags.
As for selling story slots - that's not my department but will pass on your suggestion.
Finally - as for checking for duplicates - definitely. We will soon be upgrading the way in which stories are created - and as part of this there will be the opportunity to check for duplicates - and related stories on the site.
Phew - hope this helps!