There are those who feel that mainstream media is just fine in its current form. We think otherwise. We think that democratizing the news will make it better. This is where we will make our case, debate those who have alternative views and evolve in our thinking.
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at 09:23 on July 13th, 2007
Ideas and language
The current language used to discuss citizen media has come of the very institutions it is challenging and there for the terms of the debate favour the incumbents. What is needed is a new vocabulary. Here are some suggestions:
• Crowd powered media vs. centrally planned
• Free range, organically produced media vs. industrial media
• Authentic media vs. packaged media
• Subjective media vs. disembodied media
• Unobstructed media vs. factory approved
• Multi-faceted vs. solipsistic
• Independent vs. institutionally allied
• Diversified vs. singular
at 17:14 on July 15th, 2007
Be careful that you're not going to descend into LuntzSpeak. I think that "Citizen Media" is good enough without making any comparisons to the Dark Side. "Crowd Powered Media" is a little evocative of the mindless Mob whereas "Citizen" echoes the idea of reponsibility.
What needs to be emphasised is that the news posted here is what people really care about, not what Big Media (and all its vested interests) tells us we should care about.
Therefore, a good title/tagline/slogan might be something along the lines of - "Citizen Powered Media - the news people care about"
Just my two pen'orth.
at 12:58 on July 16th, 2007
No need nor any motivation for NP to raise the spectre of the darkside. In fact, have a look at this Associated Press news article which quotes NowPublic CEO Leonard Brody:
at 07:43 on July 17th, 2007
Thanks, that clarifies the focus of this site. I was wondering why so much of the news on here had already been reported by someone else.
However, this ...
... is totally the wrong analogy. Taking some pictures of, and writing about, something that happened are not the same as invading someone's mouth with a diamond tipped drill. I resent this allusion to the 'average person' as somehow being not capable. And who decides what an 'average person' is anyway?
at 08:52 on July 17th, 2007
Yes you are right, that taking some pictures of, and writing about, something that happened are
not the same as invading someone's mouth with a diamond tipped drill.
Precisely! Anyone can take a photo of something that is happening that matters to them. With NowPublic, we are providing the tools so that these experiences can be turned into a meaningful form of communication - and appreciated by hundreds of thousands of others.
at 13:04 on July 17th, 2007
"We think that democratizing the news will make it better. "
In my experience so far this statement is not true. I do not say this to make trouble, nor alienate anyone but do so out of my commitment to what Now Public could be, open communication, and the potential of Citizen News as expressed here. If we are not willing to look at ourselves and those who drive this enterprise are also unwilling to partake in self-examination then honestly how will Now Public ever become what it could be?
Many of the stories on page one, two, and three today had far fewer hits than stories on subsequent pages, so what many viewers see on the front pages, unless they are willing to spend a lot more time and punch along, which many are not, are stories the editors want them to see and not necessarily stories they would choose for the front pages if this was a truly "democratic" process. And what are the criteria that the editors use to promote stories to the front pages? That, as it turns out, is anyone's guess.
Also due to the relative powers of those who wield the "Good Stuff", it can be used to support contributors or as a weapon to censure them based on personal likes or dislikes more than what viewers have indicated they want to see or any clearly defined rules of journalistic achievement or quality. Thus stories are rarely driven forward by the number of viewers. This is due to a core group of people pushing other members of the core group of people's stories to the front of the line, a kind of mutual admiration society within the higher level of the editorial staff of Now Public. I do not think this is a purposeful process but one that occurs due to human nature and the structure of the site itself.
A small group of people, the core editors, chooses another group of people based on some unknown criteria which appears to be whether they "like" the person's politics, or viewpoint, or skills, or looks, or bio and then those people get to power stories through the crowd to the front page. You are a "darling" for awhile but then another couple of new "darlings" come along and the mercurial quality of others can have you in the pariah category very quickly.
As long as the core group continues to "like" a contributor, through other mysterious criteria that contributor may rise up the ladder and wield even more control. To maintain his position he/she must then stroke other members of the core group to continue to draw their "Good Stuff". If the person's politics, viewpoints, or the way they communicate is
not "liked" the person becomes persona non-grata, and receives very
little or no support from the core group regardless of the quality of
stories being brought or written. This is democratic? No, it is arbitrary and not at all democratic. Yes anyone can contribute to Now Public, but with an ever increasing input of material will their contributions ever be seen, let alone be treated exclusively on merit by the editorial staff or more democratically allowed to compete for viewers freely without editorial interference?
New members are told what the criteria are for Good Stuff and what constitutes news, but then the process becomes very muddy indeed and it is obvious that more than the neutral definition of this term comes into play as the game evolves. Political, personal, religious and social biases of the core staff begin to show on what moves forward and what does not. The "dem" in the word democracy falls by the wayside and we have another kind of "ocracy" entirely. Sounds like the political pressure cooker that exists in any conventional newroom to me, with the exception that internal communication between the far-flung Wranglers and the higher level folks is virtually non-existent, unlike a real newsroom. Super high tech, cutting edge web-site, and yet virtually all communicfations are by messaging, not even landlines in the office I understand. And finally, in a conventional newsroom, policies and procedures would be very clearly laid out which they are not here.
How all this fuzzy stuff promotes democracy, or what this website claims to want to be does not compute in my view.
I throw this out for discussion and I think if the core staff has the honesty to really look and ask others involved here they will find there are many who believe but have deep concerns about many aspects of Now Public, not just the ones I brought up here.
What happens to Now Public will directly relate to how the core staff and owners approach the concerns of contributors and viewers, and how they bring integrity to this ill-defined new paradigm of Citizen News.
A tabloid where prurient stories about vacuous hollywood drug addicts dominates or a real news organization willing to set standards for the new journalism?
at 15:39 on July 17th, 2007
This major format change has dealt with some of my concerns, thank you Now Public!
There will now be a mix of streams and then separate streams in the other categories. Much better!
Ok OK! I am done being paranoid and after what I have seen here today will put my trust in you all again.
Thanks for your patience!
at 18:34 on July 18th, 2007
great comment MoonWolfe - I hopew you are listened to - these issues have been around a while
at 17:43 on July 17th, 2007
Moonwolf, NowPublic is definitely a work in progress. The very character of it changes with each new energetic contributor. For example, today I spent all day working on one story - never done that before! We're all learning and I'm happy to have you onboard pushing for what you believe in.
at 19:37 on July 17th, 2007
Thanks!
After going for a walk and running over the post a million times in my head, I was about to edit the whole damn thing out of the stream completely.
Though it included points, questions and concern worth discussion it was couched in a bombastic, critical, sometimes personal and less than respectful rant, for which I am both embarrassed and apologetic. Since you have responded so kindly I will leave it up much like the skulls natives used to dot about their territory to warn off sane people.
It is interesting that the site transformed in precise synchronicity with my post, and the lesson is not lost on me.
You have my word that the tone of the post and the nature of it will not be repeated. I will always speak up when I believe it is important to do so, you can count on that, but I will focus on generating progressive dialogue and solutions rather than unbridled criticism in the future.
The only extenuating circumstance surrounding this post was it grew from my commitment to what I believe is a shared vision within this bold new medium, and specifically for this amazing creation Now Public.
The changes today are brilliant and totally unexpected.
So I will leave you to do what you all do so well, and get back to doing my part to move this amazing, glittering, multi-faceted jewel of potential along the road to possibility!
at 18:03 on July 18th, 2007
Moonwolf good to know we're still on track!
at 12:38 on August 22nd, 2007
I'm not sure if anyone witnessed the firestorm at the LA Times recently. They ran an op ed about citizen journalism that has been an utter embarassment to the paper. I posted something about it the other day.
at 14:49 on August 22nd, 2007
Yes I read the post. Bloody amazing!
The print media is beginning to feel our heat, and the shoddy "journalism" displayed at the Times just sends more people to the internet.
I think it's "finger in the dike" behaviour myself.
at 17:25 on September 8th, 2007
as long as the crowd are adding new information or perspectives. Otherwise its just republishing and has no real validity over mainstream media, which is being copied.
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Alexander The 1stat 01:31 on October 28th, 2007
One thing I believe citizen-mediated media on a world wide network would be its inherent possibility to give everyone access to the exact sources the original creator had at the time.
I believe many are aware of wikipedia's rather glaring recognition in schools, but luckily, there exists history functions, to which a date of retrieval should clear.
But that's not all, for the same issue is present lightly in other, non crowded sources of information.
What really sticks out in NowPublic is the one idea that was not inherently present in other sources of media, one that, for my latest article, I explored - the ability to have interviews open to the public for all to listen to, and from that, verify that your interpetation is correct; as opposed, to, out of context.
I really would like to see more of this on Now Public; unfotunately, until I get Fido Five Plan, it's just too expensive for me to pioneer it on my own, especially with surveys.