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The Hillary-Obama Drama: An Offer He'll Never Make, and She Would Never Accept?

by Scrivener | November 21, 2008 at 07:48 am

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• Prediction: she will stay in the Senate as a Dem top dog

• An Obama push for Hillary as Majority Leader?


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The economy's going deeper into the tank. Thousands of Americans face the possibility of losing their jobs just as the holiday season begins.  President-elect Obama becomes the target of hate speech and worse in incidents across the Old South. 

And what's the headline story in Washington?  Why, it's Hillary, of course,  as the pundits once again ponder that old familiar question:  "Will she or won't she?"

This time, it's not the vice presidency that's in play; on that one, Obama took a pass on his chief rival for the Democratic nomination in favor of another former critic of his foreign policy bona fides, Joe Biden.   While the diva of the Democrats may have been regarded as too polarizing to become Obama's running mate, apparently Obama has no such qualms when in comes to at least considering Hillary for secretary of state. 

A polarizer with a reputation for being less than compliant as the nation's top diplomat. Interesting concept, Mr. President-elect.  But could it be pushing the "team of rivals" concept a bit too far?

Being "under consideration" isn't the same as being offered the job.  The line from the Obama camp at week's end was that Hillary's "on track" to be offered the position, and that an offer, if it comes, wouldn't be made until after Thanksgiving.

Then, to further complicate the intrigue, on Friday afternoon a Clinton aide claimed Hillary finally had decided to "accept" the offer that Obama has yet to officially make.  The aide explained away the protracted process by saying Hillary just needed time to make a decision.  Then the aide seemed to put a cap on it by declaring that Hillary "would be resigning from the Senate."

The New York Times, along with some other media that apparently forgot who they were dealing with here, issued a news bulletin -- then had to back off when Hillary's office issued a clarification,  calling the aide's report "premature."

So the Obama camp's status report -- that Hillary's still "on track" for SecState -- stands.  For now. Or at least until the next leak to a malleable media.

"On track." Those are weasel words.  Hasn't Hillary's husband, former President Bill Clinton, offered to disclose the donor list for his foundation; to recuse himself from day-to-day operations; and to make any speaking engagements subject to the approval of the Obama White House?  Isn't that enough for Obama to make up his mind and proffer the formal offer? 

After all, it was his campaign that floated the Hillary-as-SecState trial balloon, something he didn't have to do. He did vanquish her in the primary race,  after all, and certainly he could have offered her a consolation prize of lesser value.  So what's the holdup?

Well, here's a theory:  Could it be that Obama generated the Hillary as SecState talk as a way to enhance her stature and secure her allegiance -- the "team of rivals" model -- all the while privately believing that Bill's financial dealings would leave her no choice but to withdraw her name from consideration?

And could it be that once the idea was floated, the Clintons, being natural-born power players, couldn't resist the chance to call his bluff -- holding him to an offer that has yet to be made, instead of politely declining the overture as Obama may have expected?

At first, the team known as "Billary" made it seem like she'd eagerly accept an Obama SecState offer.  But by late Friday, the story had regressed: Hillary still hadn't made up her mind, and was still contemplating an offer by Sen. Ted Kennedy to lead the party's health care efforts in the Senate, where she enjoys an independent power base -- something she wouldn't have as an Obama cabinet secretary.

So which is it?  Is Hillary  really "on track" for Foggy Bottom, or would she rather retain and enhance her power base on Capitol Hill?

Here at Get Political, we're betting on two things:  First, President-elect Obama can't be pleased by the premature reports that seemed to put Hillary on board. Second,  we think that in the end, Hillary will remain mistress of her own Senate domain -- rendering moot the question of whether Obama would ever actually offer her the SecState job.  The reason?  Two words: Bill's finances.

It could be that both sides are looking for a way out of this unnecessary distraction.  Obama's core supporters, the progressives who were the driving force in his White House quest, are increasingly troubled by the number of Clintonistas being named to key posts in the new administration -- chief among them Hillary, who loudly proclaimed in the primary campaign that Obama was inexperienced and naive in matters of foreign policy. 

Who can forget that scathingly hilarious Saturday Night Live send-up of Hillary's anti-Obama 3 a.m. phone call TV advert?  And wasn't it Obama who questioned her judgment in voting for Bush's Iraq war resolution?

Surely Obama realizes that Hillary could prove to be a renegade, one with an ego-driven ex-president as her Svengali.  That's why we're thinking he never intended to make an offer, and may still believe there's no way Hillary and Bill would accept it if he did.

Obama does need the Clintons to help him nagivate through shark-infested waters. He needs all the allies he can muster, because it's likely that certain elements of the bureaucracy are not thrilled with the prospect of Obama as president.

But Obama also has pledged to uphold high ethical standards, and to impose strict rules against even the appearance of conflict of interest.  Even if Bill cuts back on his foundation work and discloses its donor list, questions could be raised each time he ventures abroad to make a speech -- or each time the foundation takes foreign money.

So how do both sides in this Hillary-Obama drama come out of this tricky countretemps smelling sweet?

Here's one way out that leaves all parties whole, and then some: Democrats on the left and in the center are less than enthralled with Harry Reid's Senate leadership. Why not work with Senate Democrats to find a way to hop-scotch Hillary to the Majority Leader's post? Doesn't Rep. Henry Waxman's ousting of John Dingell as House commerce committee chair set something of a precedent for the higher chamber?  Why not go all the way to shatter the seniority system by hoisting Hillary to the top Senate party slot? It certainly would solve two problems at once -- especially if Obama aggressively lobbies for Hillary's case, again bringing the Clintons back into his celestial orbit.


BUT WILL THE ELECTION EVEN MATTER?

Not as long as government-supported extrajudicial "vigilante injustice" targeting squads are "gang stalking" American citizens, making a mockery of the rule of law:

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens

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Deb Barnard, RN

The question asked is the correct one: "Will the election even matter?" (I pray that it will, but...)   "Gang stalking" is a harsh reality in America. I have a background in nursing, much of it in psych.  Many people are seeking help for "gang stalking", only to be tagged with a misdiagnosis right from the get-go, usually "paranoid schizophrenia." 

These (preliminary) diagnoses are sometimes cavalierly offered up by law enforcement personnel.  Imagine...  Law enforcement officers are willing to reach these erroneous conclusions, only doing further harm to someone who is truly being victimized. Even a good psychiatrist might have a difficult time making the correct diagnosis. 

It makes the march very easy for our very own "Gestapo."  The M.O. is to prey on people in such a way that there is "no proof" of any criminal or predatory behavior.  If one is able to discredit people  -- to get them tagged as "crazy"... well, the rest is easy... This is one mighty battle -- a battle for the heart and soul of democracy.  Will "the rule of law" prevail?  Let's work hard to see that it does.

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Scrivener

10-4 on the NLP.  But what about Hillary?  Have a nice day, S.A., oops, I mean RN.  







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Deb Barnard

Scrivener -- Please cut this old and tired dog a break...  (A bit of levity (and speaking of dogs (and Hillary)...)...  In an interview, when asked about Bill, Hillary once replied (and this is a loose quotation), "He's a hard dog to keep on the porch." (Now I heard this reported...didn't actually hear her say it, but laughed when I heard it... I'm trying to keep my sense of humor, though it's difficult...)

Well, didn't I just know that you were going to fire back a question about Hillary...  I agree that your conclusion is a good solution... Having Hillary as majority leader would be a way for everyone to "save face" (did you use that phrase?) -- Hillary's talents could, perhaps, be well-utilized and Bill would be free to roam the world, doing what he does well.... And it would keep the Clinton duo from being too great a burden for the new administration.  Having said this, though I do my best, I don't have a well-informed opinion on every subject... Sad, but honest...  (Also, Bill would be free to continue to accept donations, without scrutiny, perhaps... for better or worse... In spite of their flaws (and don't we all have them), I voted for Clinton and supported Hillary -- just so that everyone is aware of my political leanings... I just think that having Hillary as Secretary of State would put everyone in the "too close for comfort" range.  I could be wrong, though..)

Now, I'm may not be the sharpest nurse in the ER, but I'm caring, tenacious and an advocate for my patients.  (I've also worked as a Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (and a mental health evaluator).  Both positions put me in close contact with law enforcement.  So, I get the 10-4 and I figured out the NLP reference.  (Even being a psych nurse, though, I'm not an expert on NLP, as I mentioned in an earlier comment to the link referenced at the end of the article...) 

Okay, now to your comment, " Have a nice day, S.A., oops, I mean RN."   I am a registered nurse.  S.A.????  And "Have a nice day," when it's 4:30 in the afternoon?"  Am I just being overly sensitive or is there something that I'm missing?

As you know only too well, "gang stalking" changes everything for someone who has been targeted.  It's hard for me to trust people that I didn't know before the gang-stalking began.  Having said this, I still want to be able to step out on faith and act in postive ways.  If I don't, they will have won...and I certainly won't give up without a fight...

In the future, I promise to be brief. 

 

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Scrivener

You know what they say:  Be bright, be brief, be gone.

Have a nice evening.


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Deb Barnard

 As it's been said, "In the end, only kindness matters..."  Another insightful thought about kindness: "Be kind, for every person you meet is fighting a great battle..."

Be bright, be brief, be gone?

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Scrivener

You said you'd promise to be brief... that reminded me of that old saying about how to conduct oneself when one needs to impress.

Don't let "them" take away your sense of humor!  Have a nice night and a better tomorrow.






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Deb Barnard

Scrivener,

I didn't know the "saying."  I'll remember and use it well.  Thanks, as well, for the reminder to maintain a sense of humor.

Thanks again to you, as well as "those on the inside" who enable you to do your good work.

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Scrivener

I'm sure they'll be in touch.  Good luck!

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PDSimic

Obama usually does not make bets that he could lose. If he did and she calls him on this one (as she basically did, sort of), then the ball is in his court and he would have to find a way to reject her publicly, or lose the bet - not a good options, and entirely unnecessary situation to be in.

This is leaving us with two other theories:

A. Obama actually does not mind Clinton as his Secretary of State.

B. Obama has a behind-the-scene-deal with Clinton's on how to play the Senate for a bigger role for Clinton, so this was not a bluff and a "call on bluff" but a carefully scripted game between the two, with the outcome along the lines or in the general spirit of you predictions.

If (A), I would be disappointed ( http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/TheLargeNLimit ).

If (B), I would be surprised, and will be very interested to see how is he going to reject her in a way that could advance the game's predicted happy end (for all).


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Scrivener

I'm betting on "b" as the column says.   Hillary's reputation is no longer as a vanquished rival, a candidate who lost the progressives because she was "wrong" on the war.  Suddenly she's a statesman; pretty good for someone with no diplomatic experience other than first lady- type foreign visits and (almost) taking flak in Bosnia.  She now has Obama to thank for this reputation restoration.


And the whole thing about Bill subjecting his itinerary to the whims of the Obama White House.... who among us actually believes that?  And Bill could never go abroad to give a speech without someone raising the conflict of interest issue.

If I am proven wrong, I will be surprised, and, I suppose, chastened.  But when I hear Andrea Mitchell of NBC declare that she's got the position, and Ann Kornblut of Washington Post reports that a "friend" of Hillary says she's already accepted when Obama's camp says there's been no offer, I would argue that Obama cannot give her the job because it would look like he's giving into Clintonian lobbying.

So yes, for both sides to come out whole, Hillary's got to emerge as a major domo in the Senate... because she's still got to earn back the respect of those among her base who didn't like the way she and Bill conducted themselves in the primary race.

Making her SecState would be a big blunder for a guy who had seemed blunder-proof (with the exception of Rev. Wright).  So I still say, "ain't gonna happen."

Thanks for your comment.


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